We are coming to the end of a wild and notoriously contentious Scottsdale election period where it’s totally obvious to everyone that Southwest Ambulance (and their many integrated companies and corporations) is trying to "buy" positions (majority votes) on the Scottsdale City Council.

Is what they’re doing Legal? Technically, yes.

Is what they’re doing Ethical? Hell no.

Would someone please explain how can you print a mailer and other stuff which looks EXACTLY like those the candidates sent out (with the disclaimer in fine print as the only difference) without talking to them, their representatives, or someone connected to the candidates or their campaigns?? Get real here folks, we didn’t just fall off the melon truck yesterday!!!

The REAL question is will any of the three (3) candidates who have obviously received direct benefit of the money, recuse themselves from voting on any proposed contract that is presented to the city council for consideration by Southwest Ambulance or any subsidiary to their company including any new corporation(s) or companies that they might come up with to circumvent (illegally dodge) the ethics codes of the Feds, state, county and local city organizations, laws and ordinances? We think legally and ethically they should, but knowing this crowd, we doubt it seriously.

We’re quite sure that none of these candidates will write said Manifesto because they are already on the hook so to speak with Southwest Ambulance. We’ll happily apologize if they prove us wrong by each delivering said Manifesto exactly as stated above.

Should any of the 3 candidates above be elected, and then fail to recuse themselves as stated above, we will guarantee that well financed formal Ethics charge(s) will be filed against each candidate that fails to recuse themselves as well as the City Attorney and all Deputies and Assistants thereto, the city legal department, as well as any others within the city government who try to defend the unethical position of the three (3) candidates who received the indirect but specific funding. The suit will include financial fines payable back to the taxpayers of Scottsdale in kind as well as their immediate removal from the city council for illegal and unethical actions.

We are noticing more and more that certain city managers and staffers are making decisions without the proper input from the citizens and voters. Is this ethical?

Could it be that the city legal department has been taken over by a handful of elitists who look down upon the citizens and their suggestions, wants, and needs?

Could it be that staff only tells the council what it wants the council to see and hear so as to circumvent public and council questioning of questionable tactics and ethical issues? Is this practice ethical?

Aren’t all of these issues unethical?

Could it be that the City Attorney is totally incompetent and doesn’t know how to handle the staff so he just sits back and does as he’s told by those who are ruining the city?

Will Washburn retire to avoid any heat from the public and self-caused legal problems?

Retirement won’t save him from criminal actions and intent we will file will it?

Before you vote fellow citizens, think long and hard who attends citizen organization meetings, and who has the citizens best interest at heart. There are only 2 candidate who fill those shoes.

On the other hand, think about who has blown off citizen suggestions, and are all for adding height and density to the downtown area when the citizens are adamantly against it.

Where is the accountability in many city departments?

Why haven’t we had an Audit on the Cultural Council where Linda Milhaven resigned without reasonable notice? Something going on there? We think there is and wasn’t Milhaven at the base of all of those negative discussions?

Why did all the problems reportedly start after Milhaven took charge of the Cultural Council?

Why don't you ask Dennis Robbins about his membership with www.YestoChildren.org  Yes to Children.org is behind the Scottsdale School Construction Bond. Yes to Children had its reps brazenly campaigned at school assemblies, parent orientation nights and bond shows (Isn’t that against the state laws???).

Yes to Children also received ^$85,000 from 9 construction companies. Is Robbins and Yes to Children for {supporting} the construction companies or for {supporting} the Scottsdale Children?

Politicians like Robbins never learned that corporate welfare is what got them voted out of office in the first place.

A close look at the following link will give you some idea where and how this organization receives it’s funding and operates……….

http://recorder.maricopa.gov/campaignfinance/CampFinDocsSelect.aspx?candidateid=990519&fileyear=2010

In looking at their website, it would appear that they are playing wild and loose with the facts as well as very slanted with their information concerning what the bond approval will REALLY cost the taxpayers.

We saw some interesting names on those reports, Ducheme, Kriekart, The Dem Party, Virginia Korte. Why are they and Robbins involved with this group unless they represent the construction companies?

It’s funny that when I asked some students who attends to Cocopah, how bad the school condition is since they want to do a complete rebuild. They said there’s nothing wrong or broken that they know about. Many kids we know went to Cocopah and yes, its old, but still in good shape. Certainly not worth ^$40 million in repairs based on the condition of the current economy without knowing what direction the nation as a whole will be going after November 2nd.

As far as Dennis Robbins goes, when asked about the indirect gift of ^$50,000 from the Southwest Ambulance Company, his response was "they probably know we're both business people".

We read that to mean "If you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours".

Less than 2 weeks left!

Better Hurry, these Candidates are going fast!

Milhaven, Ecton and Robbins were apparently just "bought lock, stock and barrel" for almost ^$50,000 each (see Laurie Roberts columns in the Scottsdale Republic below)!

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Many of us are not happy with everything Mayor Lane does either but you are missing far more dastardly actions in the city by not looking into the failed and inept legal department under Washburn, or City Manager Richert and his play to double or triple density in the north including the inclusion of unwanted commercial areas using an unqualified Connie Padian as his tool. How about Richert's attempts to add an overlay to the north that will invalidate all the current protections for the McDowell Sonoran Preserve based on approved plant, shrub, and tree lists, and many other issues both north and south which are far more important than Lane and are being done ostensively under the table, behind closed doors without adequate public hearings or input.

You might also want to check with Henry Becker to see how he's handling the changes Richert and the city legal department are pushing through. Could Henry be waiting patiently for the city to vote to approve Richert's plans, then drop a HUGE lawsuit against the city for malfeasance and discrimination among a few other other legal issues?

Lane could well be gone in 2 years but Richert and his stooges will be there until he and they destroy the city as we know it. You need to open your eyes and ears instead of having tunnel vision when it comes to Lane. The picture of destruction is far larger and you are failing to take it all into consideration.

You might want to comment on the flagrant error on the part of Milhaven, Ecton and Robbins for not denouncing almost ^$29,000 (Now up to ^$48,000) each from S/W Ambulance as outside advertising which is an obvious ploy to get the contract away from PMT.

Open your eyes and ears folks, your tunnel vision is obvious and you're missing all the big stuff which is far more important to the city and taxpayers. You might want to readdress your sights as to who's doing what to the city.

Then again, maybe your entire impetus is to attack Lane not giving a damn what's happening to our city.

Think about that for a few minutes, if you dare or care (which I seriously doubt that you do)

George Knowlton,
30 year Scottsdale resident
Fixscottsdale@gmail.com

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Subject:  www.scottsdaleactivist.com

Wow....on a lark......I just happened to check out the Scottsdale Activist Website and ...."Welcome Back" is an "understatement"!

Glad to see that you are back doing what we know will be a spectacular job of informing the public.

Having Mike Merrill doing his bit is another major "welcome back" and we look forward to reading his take on the internal issues he is quite familiar with.

I am glad to see that the way my wife and I voted mirrors your suggestions to the "T"!  I guess we have learned something from you over the years.

I am in complete agreement on not voting for any person that takes money from special interests as is noted (S/W Ambulance and The Scottsdale Chamber of Commerce).

Phillips and Littlefield seem to be simply logical choices and we are hopeful that "Airport Bob" will start giving some serious consideration to Scottsdale Airport and how its continuous expansion efforts are affecting the residential neighborhoods that surround this single runway, land-locked airport.  Now the COS has hired Coffman Associates once again (remember 2004?) to "study" another "re-surfacing" to accept jets coming in at 100, 000 lbs just weeks after they completed their "standard" re-surfacing at substantial cost.  Their "excuse" is...that the Federal Government will pay for 95% of the Study and then a "big chunk" of the re-surfacing. 

Wow...I wonder where that "Federal Government" gets its money.  It can't be from anyone in Scottsdale as surely the Airport Advisory Commission and the City Council would know that if it was true....wouldn't they!!!   I attended the last AAC meeting and, of course, Rick Kidder was there promoting the expansion of the airport and not being one bit concerned with the implications to the tax-paying public (I even think we pay Federal Taxes.....!).

Oh well....same story....different times.

Thanks for coming back and I look forward to contributing at times and to reading your fantastic website!

Bob Popow
Scottsdale Homeowner and Full Time Resident.

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~ More Citizen Comments

~ I cannot believe the stupidity and crassness of the 3 candidates who have allowed Southwest Ambulance to subsidize their campaigns, even if it is legal. Why wouldn't an honest candidate come right out and denounce the attempts by SW Ambulance to buy the election? It would appear to me that these candidates have known all along that this was going to happen. Well, you're right, this household will be voting for Littlefield and Phillips only.

~ Who the hell do Milhaven, Ecton and Robbins think they're kidding? Are the voters of Scottsdale dumb enough to fall for this garbage? Does ANYONE really believe they knew nothing about this stuff? I hope someone files an ethics lawsuit against all three of them.

~Just happened by Susan Bitter-Smiths house and OMG!! the Staunch Conservative Republican has a Wayne Ecton Campaign sign in front of her house!!  Will wonders never cease!! Gee, wouldn't you really wonder what she's out fishing for? Couldn't be more favorable council votes for some of her high density, tall garish buildings could it? Could it be that you'll even walk with the Devil when you want something badly enough?

~ The Chamber and Republic are obviously in cahoots. Why else would they make sure that O'Hearn, Ecton, Milhaven and Robbins all got an endorsement? It does seem that the Republic cut Ecton off at the pass to make it look like they were different from the  obviously corrupt Chamber by not endorsing him. Read Laurie Roberts and you'll understand why everyone is upset with the four clowns. Should they win, we as a city are in serious trouble.

~ Did anyone really read Dennis Robbins and the others slick mailers?  Sure makes it sound like they want light rail and a bunch of other things the citizens have been strongly against doesn't it? I think all candidates but Phillips and Littlefield have been bought off by the ambulance company, chamber, and the Republic. So sad for Scottsdale if they win.

~ If the Scottsdale Republic was really a "Home Town Paper" and represented the views of the citizens rather than what the Activist calls the "Elitists", they wouldn't be in financial doo-doo now would they? I'm advising anyone who will listen to drop their subscription, It's interesting that I can't find many now who still subscribe. Must mean something huh?

~ Klapp, Ecton and McCullagh make me sick. Talk about bought and paid for. Why haven't McCullagh and Klapp resigned either their Chamber positions or their council positions?  I have never seen such a blatant expression of a conflict of interest shown by Ecton. Klapp, and McCullagh. We won't even get into the problems with our elected "Valley Girl" who doesn't have the faintest clue about this city except where the "Hot" guys hang out and when to meet with her personal trainer during council meeting hours.

~ The key question is what did Linda Milhaven do to make the Cultural Council so screwed up, then why did she leave her position in such a hurry? Even the ultra liberal Repugnant question that move.... then endorsed her? What does that say about both the Repugnant and Milhaven? Nothing good I'm sure.

~ I am aghast that 3 candidates would continue to receive help from the ambulance company without stating where their position will be should that contract should come up in front of the council should they be elected. Shame, SHAME on them. We're taking your advice and voting for Littlefield and Phillips only. Thanks for coming back to keep us informed, there sure as hell isn't any other publication in town who tells it like it is.

~ Notice how quiet Wayne Ecton has been during this campaign? He has learned that if he keeps his mouth shut and stays out of the light of the public view, he won't get caught explaining all of his really bizarre and obviously citizen unfriendly council votes. Wayne is a has-been and needs to retire and take Martha to Singapore for another long vacation. Maybe we can accommodate Wayne with our votes for Littlefield and Phillips.

~ I ask you again. What did Robbins and O'Hearn do when they served only one term on the council? They haven't answered because they did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING GOOD.

~ Scottsdale Voice? Unintelligent, Uneducated, Ultra Biased Garbage. 

~ Littlefield and Phillips are the only ones I see answering voter questions without beating around the bush. Do I need any other information to cast a vote? Nope!!

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Every American should understand what is written below.  In my generation we studied it in school.  Today’s students, and most of today’s parents, have no concept of the Constitution and our Constitutional form of a Representative Republic {NOT a pure Democracy as some uniformed claim}.  Most believe we have a "Two Party System" and are governed by "majority vote".  George Washington warned us about having political parties as they would divide the nation.  And the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution to protect us from "The Tyranny of the Majority".  How many Americans know or understand this?  Do your kids and grandkids know and understand this?

There was a day when Congress had an important committee that reviewed each law that came to the floor for a vote to make sure it was constitutional.  No member of congress wanted to be embarrassed by voting "yes" on a law that was later ruled unconstitutional.  But this, alas, is as extinct as the gooney bird.  Now members of congress pass anything their party leaders put in front of them and often without even reading it.  They depend on someone taking the issue to the Supreme Court – after they have retired of course – if ever.

Contributed by Jack McVickers

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1. With the U.S. Constitution, We The People created the federal government. It is our "creature", and has no powers other than those We granted to it in The Constitution.

Webster’s American Dictionary of the English Language (1828), says re "constitution":

2. The federal government * has three branches: Article I of the Constitution creates the legislative branch (Congress) & lists its powers; Article II creates the executive branch & lists its powers; and Article III creates the judicial branch & lists its powers.

In this paper, we will consider only the enumerated powers of Congress. But the powers of the other two branches are likewise strictly limited and enumerated.

3. Congress is NOT authorized to pass any law on any subject just because a majority in Congress think the law is a good idea! Instead, the areas in which Congress is authorized to act are strictly limited and defined ("enumerated"). Article I, § 8, grants to Congress the powers:

The 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 19th, 23rd, 24th, & 26th Amendments grant additional powers to Congress respecting civil rights & voting rights, the public debt [lawfully incurred], income tax, successions to vacated offices, dates of assembly, and appointment of representatives from the D.C.

The Constitution authorizes Congress to exercise throughout the States these and only these powers!

4. Two provisions of the Constitution grant to Congress broad legislative powers over specifically defined geographical areas:

a) Article I, §8, next to last clause, grants to Congress "exclusive Legislation" over the following geographically tiny areas: the seat of the government of the United States (not to exceed 10 square miles), forts, arsenals, dock-yards, and the like. As James Madison said in federalist no. 43 at 2., it is necessary for the government of the united states to have "complete authority" at the seat of government, and over forts, magazines, etc. established by the federal government.

b) article iv, §3, cl. 2 grants to congress power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the united states (as opposed to property belonging to individual states). as these territories became states, congress’ powers under this article were terminated.

5. thus, congress has no authority to bail out financial institutions, businesses, and homeowners who don’t pay their mortgages; no authority to take control of our health care; no authority to pass laws denying secret ballots to employees who are solicited for membership by labor unions; no authority to take away your ira’s and other retirement accounts, no authority to pass laws respecting energy consumption or "emissions", education, housing, etc., etc., etc.

Therefore, the laws which Congress has passed on such topics are unconstitutional as outside the scope of the legislative powers granted to Congress by The Constitution. We the People did not give such powers to Congress when we ordained & established the Constitution, created the Congress, and listed its 21 enumerated powers. And these powers are not granted to Congress in any of the Amendments.

6. If you look at The List of powers We granted to Congress, you will see that Congress’ legislative powers fall into three categories:

a) International commerce and war;

b) Domestically, the establishment of an uniform commercial system: weights & measures, patents & copyrights, a monetary system based on gold & silver, bankruptcy law, a [limited] power over interstate commerce, and mail delivery. Congress also has the power to establish lower federal courts and make rules for naturalization.

c) Protection of civil and voting rights.

That’s about it! All other powers are retained by the States or the People!

7. You ask, "How can Congress make all these laws if they are unconstitutional? How can what you say be true?"

Congress gets away with it because We are ignorant of what our Constitution says; and We have been indoctrinated into believing that Congress can do whatever they want!

But consider Prohibition: During 1919 everyone understood that the Constitution did not give Congress authority to simply "pass a law" banning alcoholic beverages! So the Constitution was amended to prohibit alcoholic beverages, and to authorize Congress to make laws to enforce the prohibition (18th Amdt.).

8. But during the regime of Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR), all three branches of the federal government abandoned the Constitution: FDR proposed "New Deal" programs; Congress passed them. At first, the Supreme Court ruled (generally 5 to 4) that these programs were unconstitutional as outside the legislative powers granted to Congress. But when FDR threatened to "pack the court" by adding judges who would do his bidding, one judge flipped to the liberal side, and the Court started approving FDR’s programs (5 to 4).

9. Since then, law schools don’t teach the Constitution! Instead, they teach decisions of the FDR-dominated Supreme Court which purport to explain why Congress has the power to regulate anything it pleases. The law schools thus produced generations of constitutionally illiterate lawyers and judges who have been wrongly taught that three clauses, the "general welfare" clause, the "interstate commerce" clause and the "necessary & proper" clause, permit Congress to do whatever it wants!

10. "Well", you ask, "what about ‘the general welfare clause’? Doesn’t that give Congress power to pass any law on any subject as long as it is for the ‘general Welfare of the United States’ "? NO, IT DOES NOT!

First, you must learn what "welfare" meant when the Constitution was ratified: "Welfare" as used in the Preamble & in Art. 1, §8, cl. 1, U.S. Constitution, meant

Exemption from any unusual evil or calamity; the enjoyment of peace and prosperity, or the ordinary blessings of society and civil government (Webster’s, 1828).

But The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (1969), added a new meaning: "Public relief—on welfare. Dependent on public relief". Do you see how our Constitution is perverted when new meanings are substituted for original meanings?

Second, James Madison addresses this precise issue in federalist no. 41 (last 4 paras): Madison points out that the first paragraph of art. i, §8 employs "general terms" which are "immediately" followed by the "enumeration of particular powers" which "explain and qualify", by a "recital of particulars", the general terms.  so, yes! the powers of congress really are restricted to those listed hereinabove.

11. "OK", you say, "but what about ‘the commerce clause’ (Art. I, §8, cl. 3)?  Doesn’t that give Congress power to pass laws on any subject which ‘affects’ ‘interstate commerce’ "? NO, IT DOES NOT! In federalist no. 22 (4th para) and federalist no. 42 (11th &12th paras), Alexander Hamilton & James Madison explain the purpose of the "interstate commerce" clause: it is to prohibit the states from imposing tolls and tariffs on articles of import and export—merchandize—as they are transported through the states for purposes of buying and selling. that’s what it does, folks; and until the mid-1930’s and fdr’s "new deal", this was widely understood. ***

12. "Well, then", you say, "doesn’t the ‘necessary & proper’ clause’ (Art. I, §8, last clause) allow Congress to make any laws which the people in Congress think are ‘necessary & proper’?" NO, IT DOES NOT! Alexander Hamilton says the clause merely gives to Congress a right to pass all laws necessary & proper to execute its declared powers ( federalist no. 29, 4th para); a power to do something must be a power to pass all laws necessary & proper for the execution of that power ( federalist no. 33, 4th para); "the constitutional operation of the intended government would be precisely the same if [this clause] were entirely obliterated as if [it] were repeated in every article" ( federalist no. 33, 2nd para); and thus the clause is "perfectly harmless", a tautology or redundancy. ( federalist no. 33, 4th para). James Madison agrees with Hamilton's explanation. ( federalist no. 44, 10th-17th paras). in other words, the clause simply permits the execution of powers already declared and granted. Hamilton & Madison are clear that no additional substantive powers are granted by this clause.

13. The 10th Amendment states:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

So! If a power is not delegated by the Constitution to the federal government; and if the States are not prohibited (as by Art. I, § 10) from exercising that power; then that power is retained by the States or by The People. And WE are "The People"!

14. Our Framers insisted repeatedly that Congress is restricted to its enumerated powers. James Madison says in federalist no. 45 (9^th para):

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people….[emphasis added]

In Federalist No. 39 (14th para):

...the proposed government cannot be deemed a national one; since its jurisdiction extends to certain enumerated objects only, and leaves to the several States a residuary and inviolable sovereignty over all other objects.

and in Federalist No. 14 (8th para):

...the general [federal] government is not to be charged with the whole power of making and administering laws. Its jurisdiction is limited to certain enumerated objects…

15. In all its recent legislation, Congress ratchets up its concerted pattern of lawless usurpations. The executive branch and the federal courts approve it. Such is the essence of tyranny. They are "ruling" without our consent, and hence the federal government is now illegitimate. PH

* "Federal" refers to the form of government: An alliance of States with close cultural & economic ties associated in a "federation" with a national government to which is delegated supremacy over the States in specifically defined areas.

** Some object that our Constitution endorsed slavery. During the 18th century, slavery was universal. Article I, § 9, clause 1, is our Proclamation to the World that WE would abolish the slave trade! Of course, James Madison wanted the "barbarism" & "unnatural traffic" of the slave trade abolished immediately ( Federalist Paper No. 42, 6^th para).

*** See Justice Clarence Thomas’ concurring opinion in United States v. Lopez (1995). justice thomas’ opinion shows why those disposed to usurp attack him so virulently.

Publius Huldah is a retired lawyer who lives in Tennessee USA.  She writes on the U.S. Constitution and posts her papers at publiushuldah.wordpress.com  Before getting a law degree, she got a degree in philosophy where she specialized in political philosophy and epistemology (theories of knowledge).

Using primarily The Federalist Papers, which were written during 1787-1788 by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison & John Jay, in order to explain the proposed Constitution to the American People and induce them to ratify it, Publius Huldah explains the true & original meaning of the U.S. Constitution.  She also shows how modern day judges on the U.S. federal courts have completely abandoned the U.S. Constitution and have substituted their own personal views and opinions for The Constitution.

Publius can be reached at: Publiushuldah@twlakes.net

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Thanks to an inept planning department, the also inept and out of touch department of Economic Vitalization, the prior mayor and her administration, and other short sighted (or No Sighted) city people, there are no single areas where any organization can go to have an event where everyone, the business, the city, and the organization win.

So now we have our home town Greater Scottsdale Boys and Girls Club having a social event where eating food is the main object and there is NOWHERE in Scottsdale to hold such an event anymore!

Where is it being held? Desert Ridge Market Place at Tatum and Loop 101. All of the sales tax dollars go to Phoenix, the profits go to Phoenix businesses, but oh yeah, any donations go to the Scottsdale Boys and Girls Club. The donations are a great thing, but giving all the profits and sales tax dollars to Phoenix is really stupid, but sadly far too typical of today’s inept, out of touch Scottsdale city government and council majority!

When will our city council, city planners, etc get their heads out of their butts and look at reality! A tourist destination like Rawhide or something like it could be put on the 80 acres at West World as it should have been when Rawhide decided to sell the land it was located upon; DUH!!!

Let’s get your heads out of your butt’s council and staff and start working for the citizens, not the developers, builders, etc.

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Just click on the logos below to go to these websites.

Send our Brave Troops "Something from Home", Click on  Links below.

Gathering of  Eagles Website was launched 2/9/07. Click on the Logo above for more information on how they are protecting America's Memorials.

~ UPDATE!! A "Must See" for All Americans

Every American should check out all of these websites to learn more about what the American population is about to have to deal with.

This is NOT for Children.

I don't normally allow anything but Scottsdale information in the Scottsdale Activist but after receiving many emails about this and viewing it, I think that it's imperative that every adult at least look at what's offered here if for  nothing more than their own education and to have everyone stop and think about the future of our country. Click on the link below,

 www.obsessionthemovie.com

If you don't have Adobe Flash, install it from the bottom of the page that comes up after you click on the link above. You should be able to view all available links within the main page.

The website below is of great interest as seen from a Lebanese point of view:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8fa9yKQeTY

The website below gives some history of Terrorist attacks:

http://patriotfiles.org/civilizationcalls.htm

This website tell you what REALLY happened:

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened

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~ View Past City Council Meetings

We can now access the city council meetings by clicking on the following link:

If you have any problems, check your firewall and other safety features which could block access to the city site.

~Continuing Light Rail Information

The Scottsdale Citizens Transportation Study Committee invites you to view their website for more questions and answers at  www.norailforscottsdale.com .

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Simply click on the links below to get all the information you'll ever need concerning Light Rail.

     Goldwater Institute Report

     American Dream Coalition

    The Public Purpose

If you have any questions about light rail, send them to editor@scottsdaleactivist.com and we'll get the answers to you as soon as we can.

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